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Best Answer Iryoku , 04 September 2013 - 12:33 AM

Ok here are the facts as I know them: Windower4 is not crashing, so no crash dump file.Also I'm using a fresh install of windows 7 and a fresh install of FFXI, and a fresh install of windower.  Both laptops and now my pc will run windower 4 but after you start it up you have to wait for it to time out while attempting to "update rescources: downloading component" it stops at 143.8/190.6 and stays there for aprox. 5 minutes and then gives up and starts up windower. It does this on all PCs in my home, with or without firewall up. I have given windower full permissions to move through the firewall to no avail. It will not load any plugins or add ons, same time out after a certain amount of time waiting for it to load and then just skipping to POL log in. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can an admin or someone familiar with the original thread about this problem either respond, or direct me to that original thread as I can't seem to find it/ ; ;  

 

It could easily be your anti-virus software as well, or a problem with your home network or internet connection. Windower is doing exactly what is was programmed to do; that is, attempt to download updates to all of its components and time out after the default 5 minutes. Though admittedly the timeout is far too long, it's just the default timeout for an HTTP request in .Net. I will see about lowering it to something more reasonable. 30 seconds is probably more appropriate.

 

Edit: The change has been pushed out for 4.1 on the development build. If no problems are reported, I'll apply it to 4.0 tomorrow.

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#1 Rubicant

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    Posted 10 August 2013 - 06:30 AM

    Okay so I kinda sorta had windower working before the Aug Update, and now It crashes when I try and load the game. I get all the way to the "Play FFXI" screen but as it transitions to the "don't forget your family and friends" shit (you know the screen right before the select character screen) BOOM! it crashes,. I have tried to disable secure boot and the works.... here is my dump file:
    http://www.megafileu.../crash-dmp.html



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      Posted 10 August 2013 - 06:33 AM

      *** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for C:\Program Files (x86)\PlayOnline\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XI\FFXiMain.dll
      *** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found.  Defaulted to export symbols for C:\Program Files (x86)\PlayOnline\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XI\FFXiMain.dll - 
      eax=0a45a74c ebx=03ab7500 ecx=029507f0 edx=009ef2f0 esi=02f4aa30 edi=0018ee70
      eip=0295a77f esp=0018ed4c ebp=00000590 iopl=0         nv up ei ng nz na pe cy
      cs=0023  ss=002b  ds=002b  es=002b  fs=0053  gs=002b             efl=00010287
      0295a77f 0200            add     al,byte ptr [eax]          ds:002b:0a45a74c=??
      0:000> g


      #3 Iryoku

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        Posted 10 August 2013 - 02:11 PM

        The crash dump didn't reveal anything, however, it's probably a plugin. Can you please try logging in with all of your plugins and addons disabled. If that works, enable them each one by one until you figure out which one is crashing.



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          Posted 11 August 2013 - 02:44 AM

          That was with them all turned off :x

          Just for kicks, I uninstalled widower, and re-installed a fresh copy, 0 plug-ins downloaded, and it is still crashing.
          I am trying to make a new dump file... but the program is not behaving like the walk-through says it should.

          It is coming up with the same error every time:

          *** WARNING: Unable to verify checksum for C:\Program Files (x86)\PlayOnline\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XI\FFXiMain.dll
          *** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found.  Defaulted to export symbols for C:\Program Files (x86)\PlayOnline\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XI\FFXiMain.dll
           
          .-. so yea... I think that windows 8 just hates me


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            Posted 11 August 2013 - 11:29 AM

            Windows 8 hates everyone and everything.  My advice is go back to Windows 7, you won't be missing out on anything except the frustration.



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              Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:49 AM

              But Windows 8 is the futcharrrrrrr!

               

              Or, as I tell it, it puts the FU in future. 

               

              What folder is XI installed in, and what folder is your Windower installed in?  I found my WIn8 is a hell of a lot fussier about the locations of things, due to permissions.  Don't put it on your root (C:) drive.  Instead, stick it in your user folder, such as Documents or the plain old desktop.  I have mine in my Dropbox so I keep all my settings across all my computers. 



              #7 Rubicant

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                Posted 12 August 2013 - 05:45 AM

                Windower is in the Programfiles x86 >.>
                I just jumped from XP to windows 8 ... so I am assuming that is the root directory for 8 lol
                I work with 7 at work... and am seriously thinking about getting a good windows 7 pro for this laptop... wiping it clean and starting with that, because honestly.. .. the core FFXI stuff just doesn't cut it for me anymore... I needs muh windower... esp spellcast XD



                #8 Iryoku

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                  Posted 12 August 2013 - 10:51 AM

                  Did you wipe the drive and do a fresh install, or do an upgrade from XP? Or is this an OEM installation on a new PC? Upgrades can cause all sorts of problems, so I usually avoid them and start fresh.



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                    Posted 12 August 2013 - 12:52 PM

                    Now FFXI loads without windower right? Not that its a file in FFXI itself that has an issue.


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                      Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:08 PM

                      Windows 8 hates everyone and everything.  My advice is go back to Windows 7, you won't be missing out on anything except the frustration.

                       

                      Windows 8 from a technical standpoint is actually leaps and bounds better, every where I've seen. But it sucks from a UI/UX standpoint for sure in a lot of ways.

                       

                      The problem is most developers aren't updating their programs for Windows 8. Windower is, at least... so you have that going for you. I don't know if SE is though, so maybe that's working against us ;)



                      #11 Mysticales

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                        Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:29 PM

                        Touch screen FFXI on Windows 8? That could be neat SE. =p

                         

                        Btw those who are on windows 8.. do what I do.. Install Classic Shell, restores a start menu and makes your life feel like windows 7 again, only faster.


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                          Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:36 AM

                          Did you wipe the drive and do a fresh install, or do an upgrade from XP? Or is this an OEM installation on a new PC? Upgrades can cause all sorts of problems, so I usually avoid them and start fresh.

                          This is a OEM installation on a new laptop; no upgrade.
                           

                           

                          Now FFXI loads without windower right? Not that its a file in FFXI itself that has an issue.

                          FFXI Will load by itself no problem at all.
                          Every now and than my graphics card driver likes to change itself which makes it so I have to go back and change it back to the the one that supports FFXI, it is kind of crazy that way. :/ but from what I read about FFXI and windows 8 it is a common issue (using an older "out of date" driver for the graphics card).

                           

                          Also, I should point out that every time I try and start widower I have to return to FFXI Config and reset all my config info to run FFXI again "normally" it changes everything back to defaults. :x



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                            Posted 16 August 2013 - 04:43 AM

                            So that issue still isnt addressed in windower 4? The issue was you can edit your registry files, make the nice edits.. then you load windower and it redoes the reg edit with all the stuff it has set. Issue was, windower 4 didnt have all the graphics options to set! Still would love some fix on that.. or an option "do not change registry"


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                            Posted 16 August 2013 - 05:24 AM

                            That isn't an issue, which is why it wasn't addressed, or planned to be. All relevant options are configurable, except for different x and y sampling resolution, instead there's just a common sampling multiplier for both of them. That might be amended at some point to allow certain different values for x and y sampling, although there's no timeline for that, mainly because it's not very import and other more serious issues are taking up our time instead.

                             

                            As we said before, if you can find anything relevant that would benefit from being configurable, we can add it to the launcher. Otherwise there are no plans to change it.



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                              Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:36 AM

                              Hello, I have been un successful in getting windower to work since I bought a new computer which has Windows 8. I have no issues logging into FFXi via the regular POL startup, however, once I try it with windower it crashes right after I click "Play" during the transition between POL and FFXI. A white screen pops up momentarily then it says " An unknown error has caused Playonline viewer to stop working ect.." I have tried to start it with an without plugins. I attempted to make a dump file but not sure if I up loaded it correctly. Please help!!! And thanks in advance!

                               



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                              Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:47 AM

                              This issue has been reported, although currently there is no known fix for it. It seems it's a Windows 8 related issue. There have been known issues with Windows 8 on certain systems, although there doesn't appear to be an universal solution for them.



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                                Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:38 AM

                                That isn't an issue, which is why it wasn't addressed, or planned to be. All relevant options are configurable, except for different x and y sampling resolution, instead there's just a common sampling multiplier for both of them. That might be amended at some point to allow certain different values for x and y sampling, although there's no timeline for that, mainly because it's not very import and other more serious issues are taking up our time instead.

                                 

                                As we said before, if you can find anything relevant that would benefit from being configurable, we can add it to the launcher. Otherwise there are no plans to change it.

                                 

                                Hell ya we want that sampling thing adjusted lol. Otherwise we have to edit the registry after the windower loads pol. Like I said, simple fix would just be an option check box to be "do not edit registry values" let everyone tweak the way they want and just load up windower with their own registry file.


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                                Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:49 AM

                                Not sure if you understood me correctly. What I was saying that everything is already adjustable, except for separate x and y sampling values. For example, if you want double sampling for x and triple sampling for y, that doesn't work right now. Everything that preverses the ratio is already configurable.

                                 

                                As is everything else that's worth editing. If you can think of another thing, just mention it and we'll add it (like I said, separate x/y sampling is planned already).



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                                  Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:26 AM

                                  Ok which is the way to undersample or oversample? The way its described here.

                                  http://wiki.ffxiclop...ound_Resolution

                                   

                                  Or is that the thing you are saying is planned?

                                  Reason I ask is, cause on some devices I need the under sample, to make things work better (say on a netbook) and other times, I want things looking nice.

                                   

                                  But Ya, would you say all the options on that page are included in windower now? =)


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                                  Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:30 PM

                                  Undersampling and oversampling are supported. You can either set the switch for supersampling to On for double sampling or Off for normal sampling (i.e. background resolution matching overlay resolution). If you want to undersample or use anything between 1 and 2, you can adjust your settings.xml file and enter any floating point number there (for example, 1.41). That will set the background resolution to 1.41 times the overlay resolution (window size). If you want to undersample, simply enter a number below 1.

                                   

                                  But Ya, would you say all the options on that page are included in windower now? =)

                                   

                                  Every graphical option that affects the game in any noticeable way (known to us) is configurable and has been for months. A few things were added late, but that was still months ago. Like I said, if you think we overlooked something just mention it and we will enable it. There's no plan to add an option to not override registry entries, because that shouldn't be necessary. If you think it is, tell us why and we will adjust it accordingly. Ideally everything graphics-related should be configurable through Windower.







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